Disaster Discourse

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello and welcome back to the Royal House of Goose. Today we are going to talk to a friend of mine, Miss Kelly, with an I, who I've known for quite some time. And the topic will be disaster relief and local politics, two things that her family and herself have find the where we have the Privy Council is now released, as well as the House of Goose on X. And we're always open to feedback, comments, questions, and whatever else you may conjure for yourselves. We look forward to hearing from you. Let's get started. So it is uh 7 05 in the morning, Eastern Standard Time, and uh there's really only a handful of people that are up at this time of day. You've got joggers who find bodies who pretend they didn't kill them, uh, you've got degenerates who didn't sleep, and you've got disaster relief workers. I'm on with someone who's at least one of those things. Hi, Kelly. You want to give us a little bit of background on yourself?

SPEAKER_02 1:02

My name is Kelly. I worked, I have worked in disaster relief and recovery for 15 years. And before that, I've worked in EOC and law enforcement. That's my background.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

And what manner of uh advice and horrors and stories can you legally tell us?

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Well, I can legally tell you just about anything as long as I am not giving out proprietary information.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

So, how did you get started? And how does one get started in disaster relief?

SPEAKER_02 1:33

I got started in disaster relief after I um sold my company. I didn't have much else to do. And they had a logistics position open for a travel coordinator, and I did I applied for that. And I started there, which was pretty much at the bottom of the totem pole for that company. And over two years, I worked myself up to a field supervisor on the road with them and ended up as a senior project manager, is what I my position is now. And basically, it's if you have a disaster, the way you get started a lot of times, most of the time, is if there's a disaster in your area, the companies will come in and hire on the spot disaster recovery workers. And if you do real well and you get your job in the in your paperwork is good and everything, you may get asked to go on the road with them. And that's how you get started in disaster recovery. A lot of people travel to the different disasters and work as a monitor for a couple storms before that happens.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

So is the the general practice, like the step-by-step procedure, gonna be the same if you're cleaning up after, I don't know, a hurricane or a tornado, or God forbid, uh I I I can't even imagine what other kind of insane crap is working on.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Ice storms, fires, mudslides, floods, pretty much any kind of disaster we do.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Have you ever had an ice storm? Wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Dead chickens.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

I'm sorry, dead chickens?

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Bird flu. We we monitored the cleanup for the bird flu uh in Iowa.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

You guys do hazmat?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Yeah. Oh absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

Oh have you ever worked on like an ice storm and a hurricane in the same month ever since the US is so fucking a hurricane we did in that hit uh gosh, what was the hurricane name?

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Uh I can't remember right now, but it hit uh North Carolina, Virginia, South North Carolina and Virginia pretty hard. And we were working that storm when the ice storm in Connecticut happened, the Halloween ice storm that happened.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

So do you just have regional coordinators?

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Yeah. So it's it's basically what it the hierarchy is, you know, you got your vice presidents, vice presidents, blah, blah. But on the ground is your regional project managers, your senior project managers, your operate your regular project managers, operations managers. And so you have like one regional, and they'll have, like, depending on how big the storm is, uh approximately six to eight project managers or operations managers running different projects in that area, and then it just goes down from there.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm still on my first cup of coffee and completely hung up by just the use of chickens between ice storms and hurricanes. Yes. So if you guys recruit locally, and I I'm not I'm not saying anything in in a a negative light here. I'm just trying to figure this out. And and let's say it is a hazmat situation. Let's say it is cleanup from you know, either needing to put down these chickens or God forbid, you know, the chickens that got put down by the blight. Do you ever deal with that type of situation when it's uh when it's people?

SPEAKER_02 5:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

I mean, you you can't let strangers do that, can you?

SPEAKER_02 5:19

No, when we did, so I did the surfside building collapse. Oh wow, it was it was pretty horrible. But we did the surfside building collapse, and because there was recovery in that in that building, everybody who worked that project were project were either operations managers or project managers. We did not hire any local people, it was all contracted people.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

So when something like that happens, what do you tell the public?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

As little as possible. We don't tell the public anything. Usually, it's usually done through the city or the county managers. They're they're they're press people. So yeah, we we very seldom deal with the public. We always leave it to their PIOs.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Does it ever get difficult on the road, just constantly seeing, you know, the worst of the first storm I ever went into was Andrew.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

That was horrible. Then I'll tell you the worst ones I did, whereas Andrew, I went in there, I didn't do I didn't go in there as disaster recovery. I actually went in there as law enforcement. But uh Andrew was the first one, and then after that, the worst one I went into was Paradise. The fire in Paradise, where they took it took out three cities. And then and I cried. I can honestly say I cried when I pulled into that one. And then surf side. Those are the most of the time when you're dealing with disaster recovery, uh probably 90% of the time, it's gonna be tree damage, roof damage, you know, stuff like that. You're not dealing with a lot of loss of life in that situation, but the ones that you do deal with a lot of loss of life is it's it's you gotta have a special mindset for that.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

Does it get easier like a a nurse or someone in the military after so much time?

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Yeah. I I say we have filing cabinets. I hope it never breaks. Amondo Sav. You know, yeah, yeah. Filing cabinets we put it in. Yeah. But even some of our most seasoned workers, like with the surfside collapse, was one of their very first that they were dealing with a large loss of life that we were actually directly in contact with the loss of life. And for a lot of seasoned workers, it was very difficult for them. Some of them refused to even be on site for it.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

So do you handle any type of like uh I because you you did say you recruit from around when it's not something that needs to be contained like that. But do you guys ever deal with uh there's not really a a clean way to phrase this, the bio side of hazmat? So I'm assuming you couldn't recruit locally if it's something that's infectious, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Right. Anytime we're dealing with any kind of hazmat situation, even when we're dealing with uh as little thing as asbestos, we're pulling in our people to do that that are a fully that it fully they have their hazwappers, they have their, you know, they've they've gone through hazmat training, they've done all that. So a lot of times except for uh like California was a different story. We actually pulled in our people, but we pulled in newer people and got them certified to do the training for that, just because we had to hire 4,000 people for that specific project. But um most of the time we're doing and and that was mostly just asbestos stuff, but most of the time that when we're dealing with hazmat, it's gonna be our full-time employees, our contracted employees.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Are you guys ever contracted out of country?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

No.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Thank God for that.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

Close it. Well, we did we well, we did the Bahamas. As far as yeah, as far as anything overseas, no, we we don't do anything overseas.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Yeah, I I never I I've known you for how many years now, Kelly? What four? Three? It's been such a blur.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Yeah, three, yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

I don't think I've ever asked you, just do you personally, like if you're gonna look at the diamond, you know what I'm talking about? Like the diamond, that fun little uh four quadrant hellscape of what fresh fuck are we dealing with today in the world of danger? Yep. Which uh which which quarter in your experience would you find to be the most difficult to manage, and which quarter would you find to be the one that you hate managing the most or being in?

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Like which kind of disaster do I yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Just as far as like the standard uh hazard diamond, you know, you've got your fire fire fire is the worst.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

I hate working fire, especially California fires. It's a pain in the butt to work California fires. And which tends to be 99% of the fires we work is in California. Yeah, but that's also probably one of the most uh preventable disasters that we have.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Wasn't there the whole thing with palm trees?

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Do it possibly.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Do it, do all the things that you're thinking of, do it.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

No, we won't have some things like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

But as far as like those kind of stuff, that kind of stuff like you're gonna find a lot of problems with in disaster recovery is corruption. I mean, that's gonna be the biggest problem, and and the disaster really depends on how much corruption is allowed and where what where where it's at have been monitored. But uh, and that's what my job is like 85% of my job is trying to prevent the corruption. That's why we even exist. That is why there are debris monitors, is because when Katrina was a good one.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

I was just thinking about that. Like that level of greed doesn't make sense. If you're gonna siphon that much money and you live in a literal, you know, a bowl that's below sea level, you'd think that the one thing you wouldn't take money from would be the pumps in the fucking levy. And I think even today, because I you know I graduated out of Louisiana in what 2021. When I left, they still didn't have the pumps fully fucking operational. I'm just sitting here like the the the football fields of land are disappearing from the bayou every day, and y'all are just gonna keep dragging your feet on this shit.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

That's that's the kind of funny thing. Katrina was kind of the catalyst for degree monitors because there was so much corruption there. And a lot of people went to to jail for it, including mayors and sheriffs and stuff. But the funny thing about it is is after Katrina, because the levees had been put off for so long, and who do you blame? Do you blame the mayor? Do you blame the governor? Do you blame the army corps? You know? But when they went in and fixed the levies, right? So they went in and and did the levies in the Ponza train, they only fixed the levees on the side on the New Orleans side. Yep. They didn't fix the levies on like the Mettery St. John the Baptist side, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:16

Did they even? Did they even need to?

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Yeah, absolutely. All the levies on the Ponza train should have.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

No, I'm not, I'm not thinking, I'm not thinking fucking, I'm thinking like Gretna, fucking Mandeville. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, I was gonna say they were they were pretty fucking you think they were reasonable to stand on the bridge like they did in the middle of that whole shit show and just no, because everyone got arrested, right? For getting with their neighbors, locking down the bridge, arming themselves and saying, hey, if you come across, we're gonna clock you. Like they I'm sorry, I understand that everyone's scared in that situation, but they they saw what happened in the Superdome. Like, I wouldn't want that coming near my house either. If there was a choke point, I'd hold it. So why would why were they arrested? They weren't blocking people from fleeing. It's not like that was a way out.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah, you know, you gotta let the police do their job, I guess. But yeah, it it's insane. But on that whole Levy thing, right, with the Katrina. So when the next hurricane came through after Katrina, it came up through through Metary and and St. John the Baptist area. And when the when the hurricane was coming, I was talking to my bosses and I'm like, hey. Because we were putting people in to pre-position because we actually have contracts in areas. And so we're putting people in the pre-position, and they wanted to put someone in St. John the Baptist, and I'm like, hey, it's gonna flood. And they're like, no, it's not. I'm like, it's totally gonna flood. Those levees are gonna give away because they didn't fix them. And uh, so that was a big argument. And of course, we put people in because my bosses said do it. And we put people in there, and they ended up stuck in a hotel for three days because it absolutely broke the levees and absolutely flooded all of St. John Baptist. But uh Yeah, it's uh Louisiana's zone animal. We actually have a we have uh a permanent office in Louisiana because we're still doing houses from Katrina.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

Lord. So what is like the the standard procedure? Like, do you have a step-by-step procedure tailored to the type of disaster, or is it just like standard, you know, get in there, secure the perimeter, set up comms type deal?

SPEAKER_02 14:22

It is per disaster. It is depending on the type of disaster. Uh hurricanes, tornadoes, they're pretty much the same. You get in, you you do so a lot of what we do is debris management, right? So you're gonna have your initial push, which is usually done by the county or the city or whatever, and they come in and clear all the roads of debris, right? So you have that initial push, we're in there for that. And then what we're doing at that time is setting up your disposal sites, getting with your counties and your cities, putting out press releases on you know what people need to do to get their debris picked up, that kind of thing. And then we're hiring. So the first three days, that's what that's about. And then once you get past that part, you know, operations begin. You can have anywhere from one truck to a thousand trucks running, depending on how many, you know, how big the disaster is. And then we've got to certify every one of those trucks. Every one of those trucks has to go through a certification, it's gotta be measured, it's gotta be, you know, to make sure other driver's license are are valid, to make sure their trucks are registered, that kind of thing. So and it's all done through big companies, usually. And then that's all done before anybody gets on the road, and then they'll start the cleanup about three days in, three to four days in. And then so that's basically what you're gonna see with hurricanes, tornadoes. And then when you're talking and ice storms too, ice storms is pretty much the same because it's tree damage, a lot of tree damage. And then when you're talking flooding, that's something that's called PPDR, which is private property debris removal. So when you have a lot of flooding, what you have is people are gonna cut their homes, and a lot of that ends up on their front yard and not in their right-of-way. So you've got to go in and you've got to work with the city and the county and FEMA and the Army Corps sometimes, and you've got to go in and get these houses approved to pick up debris from their personal property because we're not allowed on anything that's out of the right-of-way legally. So we have to get in, you've got to get all that approved and signed. And that's flooding ends up with that. It's a lot of a lot of that. And then that's a whole different animal in itself. And then fire, fire is done in a command position more because you work with the fire department a lot. And so it's set up like a command center, and every property has to be surveyed, every property has to have asbestos come in, every property's gotta have benzene checked, every property's gotta have, you know, so there's it takes about one to three months at the beginning just to do all the surveying of the property before we can even go in and start cleaning up on fires.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Oh, I just there's there's just so many things. You know as you're saying this, right? And and the unique situations, there's a lot of shit that is common sense, I think, to to me that certainly must be to you that makes me look like a dipshit, because I I must look like one of these people, do you? But i I'm thinking about Katrina, right? And one of the things that was never touched, that was still there even in 2020, 2021, was the flooded bunkers that were all black widow spiders and bodies. Right.

unknown 17:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

And I mean y yes, it's it's of course a biological, you know, potential threat there and all that other shit, but like if if a flood's coming and um I obviously Louisa Louisiana's a really weird situation because you know, New Orleans is below sea level regardless. But what instinct would possess you in a flood to go into a bunker?

SPEAKER_02 18:09

I'd I uh so the problem with Katrina is it shouldn't have it shouldn't have been what it was. So Katrina was like a cat two, I think, hurricane by the time it made it into the New Orleans area. And I think it was only a cat three when it hit, right? It was a big storm, right? It was a big storm, but it was not a strong storm. Right. That should have, but it was a slow-moving storm. She slowed down tremendously. So when Katrina hit, it's like in Florida, is a cat two is hitting us. We're literally sitting outside.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

I mean, it's kind of like Well, yeah, because that's that's how Louisiana would have naturally prepared for it is you know, go and get all the water you can, leave the Dasani, get the alcohol first, and then at the end of it, when the power goes out, have a barbecue with your neighbors.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Exactly. Exactly. So a cat two hurricane when you're talking places that can't hit all the time, and and we are very complacent with that. But when you're talking a cat to even a cat three hurricane, people prepare like that. Go get the water, make sure you got enough protein for your, you know, or wood for your for your barbecue, you know, do all that because you're gonna have to cook everything that's in your refrigerator because your power's gonna be out for a week. And so when they were when they were preparing for Katrina and and Katrina was hitting, it should not have been the disaster it was. The problem was the levees. Yeah. And so because Katrina sat for so long over that area and dumped so much water and people were were preparing like they do a hurricane, and they were hiding like they do a hurricane, I think, and not expecting to have flash floods at at the at the rate that it came in from the ponsa train.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Yeah, but anyone who lives in New Orleans knows that you know, even simple spots that are slightly lower, like Veterans Boulevard, will flood like a bitch if you've got half an inch of rain. So why would you go further down? And again, I I really I I I can't specimen that God bless those victims.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Me, I'd go to the attic. But if you're if you're if you're hunkered down for a hurricane, you might be in your basement. Because maybe they put out tornado warnings. You know, it just depends. And and I don't know. I don't know why you would go into your basement unless you live in a house that wouldn't hold up to high winds. That would be my reason that I would think people wouldn't their basements.

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Well, see, now I feel compelled to think common sense and sensibilities here. So let's say, for example, give us all the major types of disasters and what a person should do if they know what's coming, if he can, just because that that still boggles my mind. Like those are just vaults of death now.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah, get out. I mean, that's that's that's basically for every disaster, whether it be fire, hurricane, tornado, get out if you can't. I mean, it's and that's where we have a problem in Florida bad. We have a very bad problem in Florida, especially on in our uh in our barrier islands. North Carolina has the same problem is in our barrier islands. When the hurricanes are coming, whether it's a cat one or a cat five, people don't leave because you know, we're very complacent when it comes to hurricanes, and so is Texas, so is North Carolina. We've been hit so many times, people get very complacent, and then what you end up with is people stuck. And and that was in the fires that happened, in the hurricanes that happens, and then tornadoes tornadoes are very quick. That means you can't really get out. Get in your bathtub if you can, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Bathtub for which one? Earthquake?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

The tornadoes. Bathtub for tornadoes. Really? If yeah, if you don't have a basement, if you don't have a cellar. Bathtub and cover yourself with a mattress if you can, because you can hold on to the piping. Yeah. Bathtub. And it's usually in an interior room with no windows, you know.

SPEAKER_03 22:11

Yeah, so this is what I mean by, you know, obviously I'm a dipshit compared to you, because at no point have I experienced a tornado, nor have I thought, let me get in the bed with a mat. What else you got? Give me, give me all the things that are common knowledge to you that other people might be listening, going, Oh, either he's dumb or what the fuck I should have known.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Okay, tornadoes. Tornangos, you should always find an interior room with no windows. Usually that is going to be your bathroom, maybe a closet. But usually it's going to be your bathroom. You get into the tub because it's it's dipped down, right? So Ling will go over the top of it. You get it as low as you can in the tub, pull that mattress on top of you because in case your ceiling falls in, right? Pull the mattress on top of you. And also you can hold on if you have to to if if you the piping, you know, whether it be your closet or whatever, you can hold on to the pipe. You know, the piping is deep in the ground. So you're holding on if you need to, which is worst case scenario. So yeah, uh into your into your room, in the bathtub, if possible, mattress on top of you all the time.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

Just see, um, I'm I'm a I'm a terrible example of a person, and obviously people need because uh you you you know, as a disaster relief person, you know to look for these, right? It's gotta be part of the training, go check where the bathroom was. But I I I I could I couldn't put myself in a potential tomb on the chance that someone wouldn't show up. I would I would straight just go outside with a gallon dapper and say, fuck it, take me. Like yeah, no, anyone listening, don't don't do that. This is solely me. So don't fucking know. But holy shit, that's gotta be terrifying. What else we got?

SPEAKER_02 23:51

So that's tornadoes, hurricanes. Uh make sure you prepare. Make sure you board up your windows, make sure you you know you have water, fill your tub with water, fill your your what's called with water. Your washing machine, your your tub, fill your fill your liquor cabin cabinet. Absolutely. Make sure you have propane, make sure you don't don't put the generator outside your door or inside your house or outside an open window. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

It's just a projectile at that point.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Well, even after the hurricane, a lot of a lot of the deaths that come from hurricanes are after, whether it be outside in the tree falls or but a lot of it is people turn on their generators, and the generator is either some people put it in their house, which I don't know who does.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

Doesn't I get giving you carbon monoxide poison?

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Yes, but if if you put it right outside your window or put it right outside your open door, and that carbon monoxide is gonna fill up your home. So yeah, generators are a very big problem. But hurricanes, it's really about paperness. Most of the time it's about just making sure that you have enough medication, food, water, non-perishable items. Make sure all your documents that you may need, your insurance, your housing titles, cars and stuff like that is in a safe, a waterproof safe that you can grab very quickly. But a hunk of you, but get out. I mean, that's the biggest thing is if you can get out, get out. If if you have that advanced notice, evacuate. And let's see what else. So ice storms, you there's really nothing you can do to stay in your house. Hopefully you don't have any trees that are gonna fall in your home.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

And uh, for the love of God, for those of you down in Texas where an inch of slushy snow makes all the great strong ass Texans who have an inferiority complex to Alaska because of size. Maybe just go to Home Depot, pick up some rock salt. Because I I don't know if the South knows this, but rock salt makes an inch of slush very mexicable.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

That's the only big problem is we don't have rock salt here.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

You have sand, woman. Fuck, fill the trucks.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Texas and Florida, when it snows, we're we're really screwed because we don't have cars or trucks that go around and salt our ropes. You have sand everywhere. We do we do have sand everywhere, but we have to keep it there because the erosion is really bad. We have to keep adding sand.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Oh my god. And yet somehow the 13 colonies managed. Shocker. Oh wait, you guys weren't them. Yeah, no, that made sense. Dubby New York for once.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

But what else is there? So we did that. Flooding, get out. Like the that's the biggest advice I can give to people is just get out, evacuate.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

What about uh chemical and biological incidences? You don't want to hunker down if there's shit floating around like my.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Like everybody knows asbestos, right? Uh so everybody thinks well, no one thinks, except for people in the work in disaster or or biohazards. Asbestos in the air, and one fiber, one fiber of asbestos can literally in ten years cause you to have cancer.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

But um, yeah, it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

And it's so funny to watch them rope off an area for asbestos, like when doesn't happen. But um it's so funny. It's like it's a line, it's like a police line, right? They mark it off like there's asbestos on this property, and don't toss this line because then you know you'll get asbestos. And like so, if you stand on this side of the line, the wind's not gonna blow anything. But we're good. Okay. Uh, but people don't think of benzene, right? So when you're talking fire, it's California in the mountains, a lot of their most of their piping anywhere now, I guess, is gonna be PVC, right? So most of the piping that goes through from city or county water into homes is PVC piping. Well, when you have fire that burns as hot as some of these fires do in those areas, especially in the mountains where they have a lot of tender, it melts that PVC and it backwashes into all the well, first of all, into the land. But secondly, it backwashes into all into the water source. So if they're pulling, like California pulls from lakes from springs and stuff, that benzene leaks into those lakes. So now not only have you polluted your land, you've polluted your water source, and you've polluted a a lake that a recreational lake. So you and you'll have benzene in those areas. So a lot of people don't think about the things like that as uh like the fires, what comes after. So you're talking 10 years before you could probably possibly even build on the land that is now seeping benzene.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Oh shit, I just realized the the DuPont spills. I mean, even today we see in certain areas like you can't have or you shouldn't have shrimp, you shouldn't have these things that are, you know, tuna that carried it in their in their bloodstream, right? Is is there a big concern? I'm genuinely asking this because I know that it went all the way down to like when they lightly spike the cigarettes of their workers to test it, they fucking killed them all. The the PFAS sites that have never really fully recovered, especially in the north or over in Virginia and and what have you, or even just down to the brain-eating amoebas in Florida water, like to what extent can these things get swept up into a disaster and and generate that further down the line? Fuck all shit.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

As far as DuPont, and I don't want to get sued for them.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

Well, I mean, this is a well-known lawsuit. You know, it's the only reason I'm bringing it up. Like, this is the this is the disaster that everyone, at least up here in New York, knows about They did they did even worse to us.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

I mean, we they salt mined Florio. I mean, they came in here, we're still trying to backfill and and be able to get things to grow somewhere to pond all the salt mines here. But yeah, we don't deal with that a lot. We really don't.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Here's a fun question I've been holding on to for a minute. And just you know, when you were listing, like sometimes we have to work with other people like the the core of engineers and the local government. You you said FEMA in a very strange way. Is there something you'd like to elaborate on there?

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Oh FEMA makes FEMA makes disaster recovery difficult. And and I get why. Like I know the bureaucracy, but bureaucracy does not lead to recovery all the time. Not fast recovery. We saw it in Nashville, right? We saw it very, very, very i in a in a large public thing in Asheville. And that's not the first time that's happened, what we saw in Asheville, but it was the most public time that that happened. Uh FEMA has to go by rules that are set for them. And unfortunately for them, the rules are set by people who have never worked in the field.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

So most of government.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

Most of government, yes. It's kind of like the, you know, the people who write curriculum for school who've never stepped foot in a classroom. It's it's the same thing. Um bureaucrats are writing the rules and regulations for people who are in the field who have in there never stepped in the field. And when it's on a national level, such as what we have now, every state has a FEMA. You know, we all like Florida emergency management, and so every state has an emergency management operation. But when you put it on the national level, like it is, they do the same thing we do. They've got cadres that are that are seasonal employees and and stuff like that. But when they come in and they're trying to oversee, and the oversight is not oversight, but it adds more layers of bureaucracy. So they're not paying attention to the actual problems on the ground as far as the say the corruption or the is you know, is that happening? It's more just kind of putting everybody on edge and making it more difficult to get the actual disaster done.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

So they're pretty much there to make notes, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a lot of time I mean, a lot of what FEMA does in a disaster is going to be working with residents, right? That's a majority of what FEMA does in a disaster, is their their loans or they're, you know, trying to get people, you know, them taken care of. But when you're talking the f the personnel that are actually put on the ground for the management of disaster, just like Army Corps, the same problem is you're putting people on the ground who don't know what they're doing. They haven't worked in a management position, a disaster management position. They've only ever worked Fasema. And so it's it's a whole different animal when you're talking the oversight for what is actually happening on the ground. And I think it gets disconnected when it goes on a national level. Because if I get a female worker from Montana coming to a hurricane, you're not gonna know. And Army Corps is the same problem, but worse because Army Corps is trying to get into disaster management and they bring in people from different like engineers all the way to park rangers, and they bring them in to to do disaster management, and they have no idea what they're doing. So they really should they really should get people who actually work on the ground to consult with them before they do that. But I think it just gets it gets overwhelming.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

You know Frank, right? Back from the old days. His handle was Frank Stallone, John. I'm gonna I'm gonna have him up here at some point, yeah, because he was Navy Doc and all that. I said, but back when we used to do the the military Monday type stuff and just let the branches go at each other because it's a support for them. Uh I I straight up asked him once because they were talking about Spata Sparta, the vet that made drinking songs fun again, which no one's paying me to do this. I just genuinely like drinking songs, and I'm glad someone fucking brought it back. But uh I asked Frank, I said, What's the the worst, like for you personally, what was the most irritating part of the job? And he told me it was don't shoot me for this, I'm just a sieve, right? The messenger. But he he he said it was the Army Corps of Engineers. He said they'd show up, tell them what to do, and then they'd have to do all this, you know, bullshit labor. Half the time it didn't make sense, and then they just take the credit and fuck off.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Yeah. I I I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Uh I uh don't get me wrong, I've worked with great people from the Army Corps. I I've worked several projects with Army Corps. Yeah, it's it's it's difficult to work with the Army Corps because they're coming in exactly that's exactly what they do. They come in, they bark orders, they leave. Or they come in and they think they know more than you on something that they've never done because now they have seniority over you in the way that it goes. I've worked with some really great people at Army Corps, don't get me wrong. I've worked with some great engineers. I've actually had one one Army Corps guy and I wrote a lot of the policies that FEMA uses now as far as electronic monitoring for FEMA. So we did that in North Nor in Louisiana. But yeah, Army Corps, it is it's they're difficult. And right now they're trying to make themselves relevant as far as so they don't get dismantled. So now they're trying to go into sectors they shouldn't be in or that they don't have experience in, and they should probably not do that.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

I mean, if it was up to me, right? I'm not talking about the the domestic side of of the army, or I'm talking about like just the general, because obviously you need like your EOD in the field and all that, but I I think they would really do better if, for example, we took our foreign aid and we tailored it under Transcom or Logicom under the Marines, you know, the our ability to put a Burger King anywhere in 24 hours, if we really had them streamline that method for foreign aid now that you said it's gone. Streamline. Oh, yes, actually, I think that uh in order to be more uh synergistic in our approach to our quarterly goals, we're going to need to circle back for a reevaluation of the yeah, I speak corporate. It's under duress, but I speak corporate.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Exactly. Let's circle back to that. And uh also another problem that you have with FEMA is say I do a project right now. So Jay, we're doing a project today, right? That project lasts three months. Okay, at the end of that project, all that paperwork and everything goes to FEMA, right? FEMA pays out the city, the county, the state, whatever, they pay them out. Five years from now is when they're gonna look at that paperwork. Five years from now, they are going to they are going to look through that paperwork and evaluate that project. And in five years, they may call me in. Hang on for a second.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Sorry, go ahead. Five years out, you said.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Yeah, five years from now, FEMA could call me up and say, can you tell me what happened on this project five years ago on these sets of trees on this road? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 37:22

I mean, uh, isn't there some log they could go consult? Like fuck.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

Yeah, we turn all that in, but it's problems. Or they could or they could recall the money.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

So would it help or hurt if you turned in like a more broad overview and then just kept the the attache bits to the log to throw at them later when they bother your influence?

SPEAKER_02 37:40

That's exactly what we do. That's exactly what we do. We turn in, we turn in. Well, okay, so when they evaluate a project, say a tree project, right? They're gonna pull 10% to look at that project, right? So they're gonna look at 10% of that project while the project is going on or right when it ends. And then say they can come back. They did in uh Alabama, came back and said, we want a hundred percent of every everything you did on the tree project, right? And it's it's millions of gigabytes, you know, it's it's ridiculous amounts of data, right? But we do we keep it on our servers.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

You think the AI would help or hurt with this? Like if we can actually get it controlled. I know the government has a different version of it than we do, but I mean if SCOTUS can adapt, they uh surely be my fucking kid. No, no, excuse me.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

That's the one place AI is not gonna work is in disaster recovery. No. Ola because the anomaly Okay, so it's kinda crazy. I'll I'll send you pictures. Well, I'll send you pictures. Oh, in your book, in the book, there might be pictures. So when we do tree work, right? When they're when they're cutting a tree, and I'm cutting a branch out of a tree. Well, you're talking, especially in Florida, you're talking 30-year-old oak trees, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:54

50 year old oak trees, 100-year-old oak trees.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

And you're gonna cut one branch out of that oak tree. And from you, I'm gonna take a picture of that. Right? From far enough away that I can get the whole tree in. And then I've got to show you where the branch was cut.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yep, I've got it here on the the crown page 23.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

So, yeah. So when you when you that might be a good picture that you can actually tell what they cut, right? A lot of times you can't. A lot of times you've got to zoom in, pray that it shows that that branch was there at one point, and now it's not.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Yeah, it's it's actually a really good segue. I'm I'm glad you brought this up because I was I was gonna ask you anyway, on this this little discourse we're having here. Tell us about your your generational interest in debris monitoring, because I did get your your dad's book, and I I think it's one of the most brilliant on-the-ground reference guides you could possibly have for any given situation. You wanna go into this a little bit and what the hell the Papa G is and why it's a piece of crap compared to it?

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Okay, yeah. So I actually started in disaster recovery first. That was me. My dad retired a couple years later and was sitting home, and I was out on a project in South Carolina, and uh my dad's like, I could probably do what you do, you know, just to get out of the house. He was he was still young when he retired, he was mid-50s.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Must be so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

So he's like, I could probably do that. And I wasn't allowed to hire him because I was a upper management, I was in upper management, and uh so in my company we couldn't do that, or they wouldn't let me do that. So I was like, Well, I can't hire you. But uh the same day, uh a really good friend of mine who was working for another company called me and he couldn't find field supervisors, he couldn't find anybody that they were hiring locally that could handle being a field supervisor. And I asked him if he wanted my dad. And he's like, heck yeah, send me your dad. So my dad went up and worked his first project with them, and he ended up working for them for 10 years before he retired again. Actually, 12 years. And then uh my son actually is in disaster management, he's a operations manager for a disaster recovery company. And uh, but my dad, when uh he got in for that first project, he got in and he noticed that when we're given we hire we have to hire a certain percentage of locals depending on the contract. 85% is the normal uh percentage of locals that we hire who've never been in the business. And FEMA puts out a guide, we call it the Papa G, it's Astral Preparedness Guide. It's like 365 pages of FEMA regulations.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Yeah, it's an abomination. I looked at that last night. It's just a web of technical bullshit corporate jargon.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Yeah, and it's it's very vague, very vague. So you could give someone that, and your average monitor that you hire is not going to read it, number one. And if they do read it, it's very vague. So my dad, when he's coming across all these problems in the field and having to explain to people how to do their job or disaster works, or how you know what the people have to do, he was having to do it hundreds of times. So, and and he was learning at that time too. So he decided to do all the research through FEMA, through the different companies, through the different contractors, and he wrote the book, and he wrote a book on uh on disaster recovery doing the job on the ground on what you need to know about all of it, whether it be and it's mostly for hurricanes. That disaster preparedness guy is mostly for hurricanes or tornadoes, uh, because it's mostly you know, trees and and in the oh good.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

Yorando from Montana might actually have a chance now.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Yeah. Just not FEMA. Just not FEMA. But my governor from Montana, I mean a lieutenant governor who's running in the state of Florida, you know, if he wins, he we keep the guy. Because he's from Montana.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

Oh, good lord.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Oh, I'm just gonna go. I'm I'm I don't know what I'm gonna do on this one. But yeah, so yeah, that's my dad's book. It's available on Amazon.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

If you ever decide you want to give him to disaster management, you wanna maybe like give him the name of the book in the what's the name of the book is oh come that it's gonna be linked in the podcast. It's a debris monitor's guy.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

It's a debris monitors guy.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

Debris monitor guide. I don't I don't speak Latin, sorry. No, it really is. And you know, I was confused. This is why I asked you about this this morning, because I'm sitting here thinking it's it's just a technical manual, and then I see all these pages for notes, and I'm starting to realize just how clever this really is, because you could have one of these, you know, labeled for each disaster, and then just have a full accounting of it the normal way and not the the logistical FEMA way, and even put in notes to like help you too.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Well, and and he and he wanted to write it in in elementary language, right? Where you know you can read it on a six-way reading level. He wanted to write it in that so that everybody could understand it. And he and the notes section is a lot to do with every company runs differently, too. Every disaster management company does things differently. And plus they have different ways, whether it be their electronic devices or if they're on paper tickets or or whatever. So everybody has a different way of doing things.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

I I've worked for four disaster management companies, and each one of them was extremely different than the other.

SPEAKER_03 44:34

So well, it's also a little bit of that old school mentality that I think we really should get back in society, which is you know, keep a little notepad on you and a pen.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Like watches and fucking standard shit that that the hand computer can replace is pretty extensive, but there's something about being able to physically write stuff down on you. I can't remember the last time I was asked, you know, do you have a pen or make a note of this?

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Like, I prefer it because it's easier for me to get to the I just have to grab it, right? I do a lot of pinned paper when I'm working is just because it's readily available. I'm not having to pull out hold on, let me pull out my phone and pull out the notes section. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Plus, you know, you can tab it with like uh sticky notes and all manner of things. And I understand that you can do that with like apps and shit, but it's just uh no.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

No, I've the the Papa G. I carry that on me all the time, right? It's literally in a binder in my car. All the any project I go on in a binder. It's online. I could pull it up and be like here and search for it, you know. And search in it, but I literally carry it in paperback for when I'm on the side of the road with a contractor and they're arguing with me over a rule and I'm having to pull out that book and say, no, this is what FM says, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

So are the the color tabs that you put in that book uh conditional to the degree of pain in the ass question and challenge?

SPEAKER_01 46:00

I wish it was that much fun.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

Because I'm I'm gonna be so honest with you. We used to do that. I I worked a lot of customer service. We had a whole bunch of little symbols that we would put at the bottom of like requisition orders that would mean like heads up, they're a bitch. Like zero reason, half reason, will reason if you know you stick to their bias. Like it was in hindsight, it's kind of it sounds more complicated than it is because I can't do what your dad did. If you looked at the Codex Politica, you'll see that uh my ability to simplify language is just egregiously not there.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Oh, maybe you should get them like that.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

But the symbols are beautiful, like it's nice, easy, quick way to, and that's what I like about this, but it really is straight to the point. And there's pictures, for God's sakes. Like some of this stuff, if you're not like in the field, wouldn't make sense. But the pictures do kind of align it to okay, well, that's why they're doing that.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Yeah. Yeah. He uh he's a problem solver, and uh that was his solving the problem of people not knowing what they're doing and hiring a thousand people at one time.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

So what about you? Have you written any books or or put up any projects or anything you want to give a shout out to on here? I mean, you're more than welcome to you just give me an hour of your time.

unknown 47:12

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Uh most of the time I just consult with him. He's the book writer, I'm the consultant. You know.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

No, no, not that nothing I'm doing right now.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

So what's worse? FEMA or the teachers' unions?

SPEAKER_02 47:24

Oh, different different problems for different reasons. Go ahead. I don't know, I don't know what you are. FEMA is definitely a problem a lot of times. But the teachers union is a problem all the time.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

So it's just seasonal problems then.

unknown 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

FEMA's just a seasonal, exactly. Yeah, there's but the teachers' unions well and we are a different animal here because our teachers unions are volunteer here, right? The SEA and the FAA is is uh Florida's not a big union, you know. We're we're a right-to-work state, so our teachers' unions are volunteer, they're they're not required, the teachers are not required to be a part of, they don't really do a lot for our teachers.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Do you believe in the NEA?

SPEAKER_02 48:08

No. You mean you mean the ones that put emotional support as their center to their wheel?

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Well, obviously you can't understand, you know, higher mathematics, let alone basic algebraic formula or taxes or you know, home ec or wood shop or science or even the arts without emotional support.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

My nephew made it all the way to ninth grade and couldn't give you the months of the year in order. So I don't know. There's a song for it.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

I just I can't look, I have great respect for teachers.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

I have the utmost respect for teachers. My mother was a teacher for 45 years. My grandmother was a teacher, my uncle, my aunt. I come from a family of teachers. I have great respect for teachers. The teachers' unions are in problems.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

For our teachers. Yeah, they don't do a lot for that. They're not they're not working for the teachers.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

I mean, you know, they're not about making sure they're fairly paid. It's it's about what can we do to make their job more difficult.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

That by the time my mom retired, she was more of a paper pusher than a teacher at that point because of the teachers' unions.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Yeah, it's it's it's a pretty pretty intensive subject. And I mean, especially when we get into lobbying at the federal and the state levels, it's just a whole and who funds it and where that comes. It's just a damn nightmare. So we could always shift to something else that you know you're you're versed in that's not complicated and simple and enjoyable. And how do you feel about local politics?

SPEAKER_01 49:39

How do I feel about local politics? It's just as big as shit is federal politics. There's just as much corruption local, if not more.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

I just discovered for reasons that I will not disclose on here, uh, that New York State is it's weird because I've spent the last you know decade looking at geopolitics and different countries' law systems and our federal law system and and international law and all this fucking shit in extreme detail. And I never stopped to look at the legal system of my own home state. It's a abomination. I couldn't pull statutes to save my ass. Everything's based off a precedent. We've got this thing called town law that's like based off the it's it's what the fuck is going on in New York. And it makes you wonder too, because the type of people that migrate to New York, I'm beginning to wonder if New York was the hub, because we know it was for like industry and and you know, of course, the the banking syndicate, but if it was the hub for all these pop culture things and and all these uh the musicians and basically the the the formal Hollywood, right? Because New York is is nice and Californians are kind, they'll dig you out of a fucking trench while calling you a cunt, but California will say thoughts and prayers and leave you to rot, right? It it makes you wonder if they didn't come here because the laws were so fucked up sideways and by like oh my yeah, yeah, and and yeah, this whole time I just assume it really is a bad mark on my own face here. I just assumed that because New York had all of these industries here for so long, especially with the the gangs and Al-Signal, that we would have too many laws that overlapped each other and made shit complicated. I would have preferred it. It's it's manageable. That's like the Fed, but no, no, we have just weird sectoral bullshit. I can't imagine if New York was a hurricane state, what the fuck we would go through, given things like town. Like it would be an absolute abomination.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Yeah, see, that's what I'm kind of worried about right now coming up with our and and you know me, yeah, I I do push local elections way more than I clutch national ones. I think local elections are the most important elections because they're the ones that literally dictate your life every day. But that's what I worry about about this upcoming election in the state of Florida is that I am a very big proponent for having a Floridian as our governor. Right? Um because we deal with a lot. We have a lot and we and we go with a lot of disaster. And to have someone who understands disaster measurement is is tremendous and that I think is why DeSantis got so popular here in the state was his ability to deal with disaster here, right? I mean, the there the speed and efficiency that DeSantis put forth in our disaster recovery here is is unprecedented. And uh and I watched it. I watched it from Rick Scott. I worked I worked on you know under Rick Scott, I've worked under DeSantis, I've worked under Jeb Bush, and DeSantis was by far the leader when it came to emergency management. But when we're coming into this new election, and uh, you know, we got Byron and and we've got our new lieutenant governor has announced his bid, neither one of them being a Floridian.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

It's it's uh it's a little hard for me.

SPEAKER_03 53:04

I mean, you would you would think if you want to get your average Floridian to take care of themselves in a disaster, you make daiquiries 10% off across the state, you make water twice. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 53:15

Well, that's the one thing about Florida is when disaster management teams come into Florida like compared to other states, right? Especially other states that don't get disasters often. Like when the the hurricane went up through the panhandle and into North Carolina, right? In the state of Florida, half the place is cleaned up and all the stuff is out on the on the right-of-way or already taken to the to the dump by the time the disaster management teams come in. So and it's all because you know there was a case of beer and a guy with a chainsaw.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

I mean, that's what it is. I mean, plus, you know, when you live in an area like that, everyone really has a a family prep plan. You know, people think guns and bunkers and food, but like if you live in an area that has a certain type of disaster, fuck if you're in Arizona, I don't know if they get this, I'm just assuming that they do because of fucking deserts, and there's a sandstorm, have a sandstorm kit. What are we doing here?

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Yeah. Absolutely. Everybody should definitely have a kit.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

Um, everybody should actually always have, especially when it comes to what people don't think is their documents, right? Um especially their insurance documents. Um but their documents, their birth certificates, their driver's license. They don't, you know, everybody should absolutely have a waterproof safe with their documents or just so they can in in a a handheld safe, you know. Put some put some money in there just in case you gotta get a hotel or whatever. But you should definitely have that safe of documents that you can grab if you haven't run out of your house. But Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Hurricane preparedness kits are big.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Like so you have batteries that are not old and uh flashlights.

SPEAKER_03 54:55

Are the ham radios actually worth it or is it just fuck fuck shit?

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Like, for example, 'cause not a lot of people get on them anymore. That's something that's probably ham radios, is that they a lot of people have gotten away from.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

So if I'm digital now. If I'm going for a road trip, right? Because I used to go 22 hours, 24 back from Louisiana to New York for the the school, right? Yeah. I used to loop into trucker frequencies because I could usually bypass traffic and I just did what they fucking told each other to do. Is that something that would be useful in a a pre-evacuation before everyone finally feels the fire under their ass and then there's backup for 30,000 miles?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Like Yeah. Going onto the trucker sites to know if there's like the roads that shut down? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

No, I mean the the trucker feeds where they're straight up like if you go over there, you gonna get your shit posted.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Yeah. Now for sure I do it when we're going in because we we go in during the hurricane.

unknown 55:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

So a lot of times. I I've literally had the conversations with my bosses when they say, Okay, you need to head in. And I'm like, you understand it's still a cat won hurricane outside, right? And they're like, don't care. Drive in there.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

So yeah, I told I I absolutely tune into the trucker radios to see, you know, if they're if they're calling out roads flooded or so the people who get wealthy in in in that sector, uh, obviously it's it's it's a job security sector if you're very, very, very successful and I think C-suite successful in the contractor with it. But do they typically reflect that wealth in like instead of getting a Lamborghini, do they just get like a Risvani vengeance that can take a fucking blast of EMP?

SPEAKER_00 56:39

A $300,000 truck.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

Really?

SPEAKER_03 56:43

Like in Red?

SPEAKER_02 56:44

No, like when you get wealthy in this sector, you you become a contractor and you buy logging trucks.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

That's what they do with their money.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

I mean, after they've expanded one, right? I mean, like if they're in the Fortune 500 type deal, like why would you if you're in disaster, why the fuck would you oh my gods and planes, all right, kids, you heard it here first. Uh, if you get rich enough that you lose all common sense for what you've done for the last fucking ever, don't get a boat. Boats are just land trucks, and trucks are land boats and they will cost you and aren't boats like the main projectile in fucking hurricanes. So you clean that up for 40, 50, 60 years, right? Former contract company.

SPEAKER_02 57:27

Um most of the time they just say you know, we have to clean it up out of the wall.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Oh, I forgot about that. Waterways. We we we pull goats out of out of the water.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

I feel like that should be a state thing. Why is that your fucking job? That's private property. Fuck them.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Actually, all waterways are owned by about five different agencies.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Maybe it's just where I live, but the majority are owned by private companies here.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

Well Yeah, so yeah. Well, when we're looking at it like say the St. John's River here, right? So the St. John's River, the banks are owned by, say, the city or the county, right? 10 feet in is owned by Fish and Wildlife, 20 feet in is owned by, you know, the Florida Department of Emergency Management. 50 feet in is owned by the not, you know, not the comment. It's like every body of water, every every navigable body of water is owned by like four or five different agencies.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

That's that's a lot of black high on the ground.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

Oh gosh, so we have to do a waterway project.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

You know, you've got to have all these agencies coordinate, which is always fun. And then you have to decide who's who's is what. Or or say someone lost their dock, and that dock ends up down the river, and then you've got to decide who's responsible for the cleanup. Is it it's kind of like a four-way stop where the you know you have the city, the county, and the state own different parts of the four-way stop.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

What was that movie where you know they I think it was a spoof movie, they kept coming in and they're like, Hey, I'm now in control of this situation, and then the next agency, well, now I'm in control. Then it just kept going back and forth. I don't remember what that is. I I think at the end of it it was a random foot soldier that just fucking came up and he went, Do any of you know how to use a gun? And they're like, No, but we have bad I'm like now and now and now fuck you, I'm in control. Here's my gun, move.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

That's exactly how it is. It truly is how it is.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

W Nepo baby dick measuring contest. Exactly what it is. I hate that TikTok language has creeped into my vernacular. It's just I said pew pew to of that the other day, and then I went back home, read like the entire TOS. I'm like, I don't care what it takes, I'm gonna say gun.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

Yeah, I just said that. I've I've or I've said unalive to I said unalive to my police officer friend the other day.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Oh god. You know you're never living that down, right? It's gonna be like 20 years from now, you won't say shit about it, then all of a sudden, oh crap, that joke unalived me. All right, well, uh any any closing thoughts or advice or uh recommendations for the good peoples who have uh No, I think I think we've covered it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

How many times you need me to? You have any other questions, but I think uh I think we've got it. Or if people have questions, they can always reach out. So I think that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Are you gonna tell them where they can reach out to, or are you just gonna give them a hyperlink to nowhere? FEMA.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

They can get a hold of you through your podcast and you can reach out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

That's true. You guys can send in commentary and I'll get it to her. Yeah, I'm so glad I'm the one who gets to be the middleman, absolutely you just you you just wanted someone who's gonna bat away all the uh the I love FEMA hate mail, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:40

Yes. But yeah, be more than happy to if uh if you get enough questions, come back on or uh or answer any questions that you do get through your podcast. But I am more than happy to answer any questions. As long as I uh don't give out proprietary information, we're gonna Yes ma'am.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

As always, I appreciate you doing this for us. We'll have it edited and up in short order.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

Cool.

unknown 1:01:05

Thanks.